作者hirdaramani (Hirdaramani)
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標題Re: [閒聊]Trump競技場選牌參考第三部:中立史詩傳奇
時間Sat Feb 8 14:01:33 2014
Sea Giant 海巨人
Sea Giant is big. Plain and simple, this is his most important
characteristic. What puts him above the other giants is that he is by far the
most castable in Arena. Sea Giant is more easily cast in Arena because his
condition is more in line with what you and your opponent want to be doing
regardless. The other giants may be preferable in Constructed, but that is
because you can more easily build a deck around them for certain classes. Sea
Giant stands out from the others because he asks the least of you in Arena.
You can easily pick a Sea Giant at any point in the draft because any
standard Arena deck will be mostly minions. Sea Giant tops the list because
where most Epics are conditional, his condition is best suited for the
average Arena deck.
Beyond his versatility, Sea Giant is a good minion because he helps you when
you are behind. If you are out numbered on minions, getting a cheap 8/8 is
exactly what you need to begin digging yourself out of this hole.
海巨人很大 又爽
條件又比別人適合競技場 大家搶著叫怪 好巨人 不選嗎
逆風還能拯救你
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Faceless Manipulator 無面操縱者
Faceless Manipulator will always be -- at least tied for -- the best minion
on the board. This is a great effect to have because if you're behind on
board, your best minion is now the same as theirs; and if you're ahead on
board, you have now doubled your best threat. We should also note that
Faceless Manipulator scores bonus points for also copying buffs applied to
his target. Copying buffs is relevant for Arena because much of the early
game is about building up your minions. When Faceless Manipulator comes down
on turn five, therefore, he will be able to copy whatever has been built up
by numerous cards and Battlecry effects all on his own.
逆風出一隻一樣拯救你
順風兩倍carry
五點出來剛好複製一堆buff 喜孜孜
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Blood Knight 血騎士
Blood Knight has a reasonable floor and a high ceiling. A three mana 3/3 is
not great but reasonable, if he can eat even one Divine Shield, however, he
becomes insanely cost effective. If we take the average case as stealing
between zero and one shield -- skewing towards one because he will
occasionally hit more -- Blood Knight is definitely a strong minion. This is
all disregarding whether Blood Knight is hitting your own Divine Shield or
your opponents. We're going off this assumption because hitting an opponent's
minion is obviously a plus: if your own shields aren't worth +3/+3, which
they often will be, you can simply trade them off before casting your Blood
Knight. Blood Knight's ability, therefore, is almost strictly an upside.
在怎樣也是3/3/3
吃一個就射惹
如果聖盾比不上+3/+3 留給血騎士吃吧
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Big Game Hunter 王牌獵人
Big Game Hunter probably won't trigger often and if you see him early
probably isn't worth hanging on to. So ability aside, is a 4/2 for three
worth it? Absolutely. Big Game Hunter, when he does have text, only gets
better later in the game because as a late draw it may be worth holding on
to. Another benefit that Big Game Hunter gains in the late game is that his
high Attack means that he'll still be relevant as the game goes longer: both
as a clock and in trading.
後期才有用 是後期4攻也不錯
Southsea Captain 南海船長
Southsea Captain can only really be considered a three mana 3/3. He may have
some incidental upside, but most of the other pirates aren't high picks
themselves so it won't be very common. All in all, a three mana 3/3 is a fine
curve filler but not great for an Epic pick.
就是個3/3/3 不錯了啦
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Murloc Warleader 魚人隊長
The same applies to Murloc Warleader as did Southsea Captain. He ranks lower
because, while his buff is greater, the Murlocs are generally worse than the
Pirates in arena. Another strike against Murloc Warleader is that his effect
will also buff your opponent's Murlocs: this is not the case for Southsea
Captain. The same conclusion applies here, a three mana 3/3 is decent if not
exciting: although this one carries a minor risk.
3/3/3 但是魚人比海盜爛 還會buff對面
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Molten Giant 熔火巨人
Molten Giant falls behind in the area where Sea Giant excelled. Where having
minions on the board is something that you are aiming to do in any game,
losing health is not generally seen as a positive. Sea Giant scores highly
because having minions is good and getting an 8/8 is good. Molten Giant is
not as high because his condition is inherently detrimental. The question
then becomes, "will an 8/8 make up for me being behind in health"? Unless you
have a way to give Molten Giant Taunt, which is hard to rely on in Arena, the
answer will be no since your opponent can still probably race you.
賣血出火巨人 有點爛 除非嘲諷給他不然你也被打臉
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Mountain Giant 山嶺巨人
Molten Giant is not very good because he forces you to lose health: which you
don't want to do. Mountain Giant also makes you do something detrimental. The
reason why Mountain Giant falls behind his Molten cousin is because damage
will happen incidentally. Keeping cards in your hand, however, will never be
good and will become less likely as the game goes on. Mountain Giant almost
demands that you build a deck around him, something you won't be able to do
in arena.
滿手牌 無勝利 掰掰
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Hungry Crab 飢餓的螃蟹
Hungry Crab will be hilarious when he appears in a Youtube video because he
happened to get played against the person who miraculously drafted the
perfect Murloc Deck. Picking a 1/2 probably isn't worth taking the risk
though.
水管上看起來超猛 你要去釣魚才有魚人
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Doomsayer 末日預言者
Doomsayer is very powerful in the right type of dedicated control deck. That
said, those control decks which play mostly spells are very hard to get in
Arena. Doomsayer also has all the problems of the "Build Around Me" cards
from the Rares article.
控制牌組之神 可是你在打競技場
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LEGENDARIES
Cairne Bloodhoof 凱恩·血蹄
Cairne Bloodhoof is a house, almost effectively a 4/10 for six! A Chillwind
Yeti during a buy one get one half-off sale! A minion with a five Health
Divine Shield! Since we rated Chillwind Yeti as the best neutral common, it
makes sense that two Yetis wrapped up into one card would be the best
legendary. Against decks decks that don't try to rush you down, Cairne is
amazing
6/4/10
兩隻雪人or4/5聖盾 你不心動嗎
in many ways, but the crux of the matter is that this is an unbelievably
efficient card and is the best pick for any deck.
太神啦
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Ragnaros the Firelord 『炎魔』拉格納羅斯
Ragnaros the Firelord covers all of the bases you want from a curve topping
minion. He has an immediate impact as soon as he lands; he is resilient to
Silences; and he trades for more than one minion if your opponent needs to
kill him. His randomness may be seen as a downside, but this is easily
mitigated. The trigger happening at the end of your turn means that you can
attack first and minimize potential targets for Rag to hit; furthermore, you
can make inefficient trades in order to help Rag's targeting because you will
be ahead on board given your huge Legendary minion.
不怕沉默立刻生效換怪比優秀
隨機有點爛但是你打完才發動
有炎魔 無懦夫
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Ysera 伊瑟拉
Ysera is a card advantage machine. What makes Ysera even better is that the
card quality she generates is better than just drawing a card out of your
deck. Even beyond the fact that she draws you an extra card each turn, her
4/12 body is a force to be reckoned with all on it's own. Granted, four
Attack isn't the most threatening stat for a Legendary minion, but it will be
enough to trade with most of the minions your opponent plays. The twelve
Health is the more important stat, however, because it will keep Ysera on the
board to draw you many cards. Lastly, and perhaps most importantly, Ysera
meets all the same requirements as Ragnaros for a high cost minion: she will
have an immediate impact, will require multiple attacks to kill, and remains
strong if Silienced.
抽卡 多血 立刻生效 猛死惹
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Sylvanas Windrunner 希瓦娜斯·風行者
Sylvanas Windrunner is obviously powerful, so much so that she was recently
nerfed for Constructed. If your opponent has minions out, which is very
common in Arena, it will be hard not to at least score a 2-for-1 off of
Sylvanas. The Deathrattle is powerful not only in the fact that it can steal
a minion, but also in that it changes how your opponent has to play the game.
Sylvanas' Deathrattle can be back breaking if it hits the wrong minion, so
players will often try and weaken or trade off their minions in order to
minimize the damage they take from it. The incidental value in this is that,
unless you are astronomically far behind, forcing your opponent to make
awkward attacks will often put you ahead or stabilize you if you are behind.
Sylvanas falls behind some of the other Legendaries because she is
susceptible to Siliences and she is easier to play around; but that said,
even a silienced 5/5 is a decent threat.
逼對面跟你換 可以幫你拉近差距
怕沉默 但是好歹也是5/5
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Onyxia 奧妮克希亞
Onyxia has a very powerful ability that is easy to discount. There are a coupl
e oft overlooked aspects of her ability which really push her into this
top tier of cards. The first trap in thinking about Onyxia is that her
ability fills your board: thus preventing you from casting other minions. The
problem with this criticism is that those 1/1s are easy to get rid of and you
probably weren't going to cast another minion on the same turn as your nine
mana minion. The other secret upside to this ability is the very fact that it
fills your board, those slots weren't being used anyways or if they were, you
are probably ahead in the game regardless. Another sneaky benefit of Onyxia
is in how difficult she is to fully deal with. In order to completely undo
the casting of your one card, your opponent will need a hard removal spell --
think Hex or Polymorph -- and a board clear spell: assuming they have even
saved any for this late point in the game. The last note on Onyxia is that
she's big. Even without her whelps, there are few minions in the game that
can fight an 8/8 efficiently.
一堆小龍 要有aoe和青蛙羊才解得乾淨
8/8大怪 在怎樣都猛
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The Black Knight 黑騎士
We've been talking a lot about how the Arena is very minion dependant on this
list, and Taunt is pretty good where lots of minions are involved. So
naturally, The Black Knight is also a good fit in Arena because he loves to
see Taunts. Straight up killing a minion as a Battlecry is an amazing effect,
even though it is conditional in this case. The conditional nature of The
Black Knight is not as much of a drawback as on other cards because if you
have to cast him for no value, a 4/5 body is still respectable in turns 6-8.
吃嘲諷就贏了
6/4/5 勉勉強強還可以
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Baron Geddon 迦頓男爵
The power of Baron Geddon varies greatly. If you are a playing against a
swarming style deck he is amazing; in a draft where you are making the aggro
deck, he is much worse. On average though Baron Geddon is powerful and with a
turn or two heads up you can most likely craft a board state to maximize his
end of turn trigger. A readily apparent downside to Baron Geddon is that he
has a low Health score for a seven mana minion; that said, he will probably
clear out the smaller minions forcing your opponent to trade something
worthwhile for him. Finally, Baron Geddon can also get the job done if you
desperately need a Consecration and are willing to pay extra for it.
要看狀況 不過7/7/5血太少被換爽
不如選奉獻
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Gruul 戈魯爾
Gruul is a good example of why Legendaries like Ragnaros and Ysera are so
coveted. Gruul may be huge, but he does very little for you if your opponent
is able to deal with him on their next turn: you are taking a large risk
spending your mana on this minion if your opponent can kill it with a Hex or
Polymorph. That said, there is something in having a massive minion to top
your curve and Gruul demands an answer very quickly.
優質生物 但是要突破青蛙和羊的挑戰
比不上上一級因為沒有立刻生效
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Harrison Jones 哈里遜·瓊斯
Harrison Jones is an interesting case because he is either amazing or blank.
The average case scenario, despite the two options being so far apart, is
that Harrison Jones will most often just be a five mana 5/4 with no text. The
average is very skewed towards the worst case scenario for Harrison Jones;
however, you're not risking much when the worst case scenario for a minion
with gamebreaking potential upside is a vanilla 5/4.
有發動沒發動
至少5/5/4 多了賺到
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Illidan Stormrage 伊利丹·怒風
Illidan Stormrage asks the least possible of your deck. Illidan may very well
be the antithesis of a Build Around Me Rare in that he fits well into any
deck. Even without the easy to trigger ability, a 7/5 for six is very
aggressive if not a touch fragile for the cost. The best part about Illidan,
however, is that he doesn't really get worse if you hang on to him. If the
board is not clear enough for you to run out your Illidan, there is no shame
in hanging on until you can cast him and another spell in a single turn: thus
guaranteeing yourself at least one activation.
6/7/5
在怎樣也能幫你拖過一回合
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Tinkmaster Overspark 技工大師歐沃斯巴克
Tinkmaster Overspark has gotten a lot of press lately because of his
controversial nature in Constructed. The randomness is a factor in both game
modes, but in Constructed he sees more play because there is a higher density
of threats that are better than a 5/5 Devilsaur. In Arena -- where our prime
threats are Yetis -- the potential for disaster when gambling on your
Tinkmaster Overspark is much higher because it is possible to end up buffing
an opponent's minion. The reality of the situation is that in Arena there are
just far to few "good" targets for Tinkmaster Overspark and gambling on him
is too high variance for a deck which wants to play for the long run.
競技場沒這麼多需要賭的怪給你賭
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Hogger 霍格
Hogger is interesting because he looks like a 6/6 for six. By all means, a
six mana 6/6 is certainly good value; however, given that part of that is a
2/2 on turn six the overall quality of this card drops. By turn six, a 2/2
will not be hard to deal with and a 4/4 is not exceptionally threatening.
Hogger is similar to Gruul, however, in that he can quickly close out games
if left alone. That said, many of the other Legendary options can also do
this and are better in scenarios where you aren't already winning.
看似6/6/6 但是第六回合 4/4 2/2都不難解
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Deathwing 死亡之翼
Deathwing is the most powerful card in the game. In addition to being
massive, Deathwing has the ability of an eight mana spell in Twisting Nether.
The problem with Deathwing is that he is costed appropriately for his power
level: which is to say he costs too much. The fact of the matter is that most
games are essentially -- if not literally -- over by turn ten and even having
Deathwing in your deck is a substantial risk in case you draw him before
then. It also bears mentioning that unless Deathwing is the last card in your
hand, he does have an even greater cost beyond the 10 mana. There are more
consistant choices on this list.
太貴了 你也不一定10r抽得到
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The Beast 比斯巨獸
The Beast is another expensive minion without an immediate impact. He may be
threatening on turn six, but he does very little despite his size and has a
downside that encourages your opponent to kill him quickly.
看似很猛 但是跟垃圾一樣
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Alexstrasza 雅立史卓莎
Alexstrasza is -- or was -- good in some Constructed decks from patches past
because they dealt very little damage before killing all at once. Those style
of decks are near impossible to draft in Arena; therefore, Alexstrasza's has
its scope dramatically lessened. By this late point in the game, both you and
your opponent will likely have taken damage so the Battlecry effect can
either heal you slightly or deal some damage. In either scenario,
Alexstrasza's Battlecry will not impact the board and can possibly even be
detrimental if you are above fifteen and your opponent is below it: although
to be fair, if this is the case you may not need Alexstrasza to win.
戰吼沒用 對牌面沒影響
人家低於15你高於15你捨得出嗎
順風怪
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Bloodmage Thalnos 血法師薩爾諾斯
Bloodmage Thalnos is an interesting legendary because he is decidedly low
impact, especially compared to many of the choices you'll be offered in the
Legendary slot. He looks a bit strange next to some of the other Legendaries
because he doesn't have the flashy effects of his colleagues. That said,
Thalnos is a respectable pick and very low impact on your deck: you will
always get a card back from him and can get a bit extra value from your other
spells. Being a cheap Spell Power bonus also gives him the advantage of being
castable along with a spell in the same turn; for example, waiting and adding
two mana to the cost of your Swipe can be well worth it. Thalnos is a
respectable pick at the end of the day if you need a solid role-player and
can afford to take a lower-powered but more consistent Legendary.
存在感不大 競技場你要有法術才加分
但是你會有幾張法術是天意
Note that you can't control the number of spells you draft or even rely on
getting a lot of spells if you draft Bloodmage Thalnos early on. Without
spells, Bloodmage Thalnos becomes a much worse Loot Hoarder.
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King Mukla 穆克拉
King Mukla is undercosted for sure, but he does have a very real downside.
King Mukla fits best in the style of old school Board Control Warlock decks
which could count on consistently having a solid board presence. Those highly
focused decks are much harder to come by in Arena so you will most likely
feel the wrath of a couple of Bananas if you have a King Mukla in your deck.
Another point to consider is that King Mukla gets much worse if you aren't
casting him on curve because now his size is less relevant and the Bananas
become more cast-able.
檯面控制牌組很強
但是競技場你能控制嗎
前期沒出後期會被自己香蕉虐
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Nat Pagle 納特·帕格
Nat Pagle is another minion that is much discussed in Constructed topics. Nat
Pagle shines in metagames which are less minion dependant and have more decks
playing for the late game. The Arena metagame, however, is not one of these
and most decks will have enough low cost minions to handle an 0/4 even in the
early turns. He may virtually gain you life, but that and the chance at
drawing extra cards is often not worth a Legendary slot. One good thing to
say about Nat Pagle is that he will often force a minion based response.
Given his four Health, Nat will be able to survive most of the cheap early
game removal: Lightning Bolt, Frostbolt, Fiery War Axe, etc.
機緣巧合不配傳說
不過四點血讓他逃過寒冰箭 閃電箭 熾炎戰斧
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Leeroy Jenkins 炸雞勇者
Awesome sound effects aside, there are few Arena decks that can truly benefit
from a Leeroy Jenkins. Fireball may be a good spell, but Fireball with a
downside is much less exciting as a Legendary pick. Leeroy Jenkins is also an
example of a card that is only good when closing out the game: he does very
little for you in scenarios where you find yourself behind and need to be
extra efficient to catch up.
就是張火球
好的收尾卡除此之外不是很好
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Captain Greenskin 綠皮船長
Captain Greenskin is somewhat like Harrison Jones; except his upside is less
dramatic, and he is even more situational. On second thought, Captain
Greenskin is not very much like Harrison and is completely blank in four out
of nine decks. If you can literally do no better than a vanilla 5/4 for your
Legendary pick then take him, but this should be quite the let down.
5/5/4 就這樣 弱化版Harrison Jones
除非你是有武器的職業還可以考慮
The exception is if you are a Rogue or a Warrior with many Fiery War Axes.
Paladins, and sometimes Hunters can also benefit!
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Malygos 瑪里苟斯
Malygos has a huge back side. This is, however, one of the few things going
for it because -- with the exception of a top decked damage spell -- plus
Spell Power is not likely to be relevant as you will have cast most of your
spells by turn nine. You can probably get a 2-for-1 out of this dragon but
there are certainly better picks.
第九回合出他只為了下個法術或者跟人換?
選別人吧
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Millhouse Manastorm 米歐浩斯·曼納斯頓
In any game, giving your opponent options is generally a bad play because
they will pick whichever is most favourable for them. Millhouse Manastorm
takes this idea and sprints in the other direction: your opponent will have
no choices because they can do everything. There a potential upside in
Millhouse Manastorm in that -- like Nat Pagle -- he dodges most of the
popular removal with his four Health. That said, with a Millhouse Manastorm
out mana efficiency is no longer a concern for your opponent.
千萬不要給你對手任何機會
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Nozdormu 諾茲多姆
We have higher expectations for our rare Legendary picks than a vanilla 8/8
for nine.
9/8/8你會選他嗎
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Lorewalker Cho 博學行者阿洲
In Arena, most players will favour minions and have a lower concentration of
super powerful spells. Lorewalker Cho, therefore, will have a harder time
stealing you a card. Even if your opponent does have a collection of great
spells, an 0/4 is far from the hardest minion to deal with.
競技場滿街生物 你想拿到神奇法術?
4血有點少
隨便亂翻 歡迎改進指教 細節請看原文
http://www.liquidhearth.com/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=975
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推 spellcaster :我覺得翻得很棒wwwwww 02/08 14:04
推 rolionly :雖然看得懂但我支持翻譯 02/08 14:06
推 Aggro :翻的很貼切XD 02/08 14:20
推 mobilx :迦頓在現在這滿街快攻的環境,也許評價會好一點點.. 02/08 14:21
推 linceass :問題競技場很少快攻啊 02/08 14:24
推 WisestCat :現行的快攻出嘉頓也沒很好吧 過7成不是鋪場快攻 02/08 14:27
→ WisestCat :直接打你臉死了他也不虧了 自損2加速死亡 打術聖那種 02/08 14:28
→ WisestCat :就還不錯 02/08 14:28
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推 a54965 :推翻譯 02/08 17:20
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